There’s a persistent rumor that Furry fandom was perverted by a bad ad for ConFurence.
by Patch O'Furr
- Was Furry fandom turned into a freakshow against it’s will in the 1990’s?
- Did the founders of ConFurence, the first Furry convention, run an ad in a “gay lifestyle magazine” that ruined everything?
This rumor has circulated for 18 years, but nobody has ever shown a supposed ad. Now, one Furry made the effort to dig up an obscure, rare 1997 publication, to show what’s really in it!
For context, this incomplete history of 1980’s/90’s Furry fandom gives a great look at how freaky, adult content has always been around… and always provoked overheated reaction. And at Flayrah, a poorly-written, half-baked attempt at prudish revisionism shows the kind of reaction that caused the rumor. The same Flayrah author became a rumor source, in the first quote below.
Here’s what the rumor always looked like:
Q: “I’ve always been curious at the ratio of homosexual/bisexuals to heterosexual furries in the community. The ratio seems a lot less equal outside the fandom, and I’m curious as to why.”
A: “It’s cause Confurence ran a add in a gay magazine in the 90’s and furry became identified with gays.” [sic]
– “Cannonfodder”, in 2010 – on Furaffinity Forums (a topic full of dishonest trolling.)
“Regarding Merlino’s marketing of ConFurence to the gay community through specialty magazines, this was confirmed at ConDorCon in the mid-’90s when furry artist Lia Graf directly faced down Mr. Merlino at a convention panel (where I was in attendance) and asked him if he had been doing this. He admitted to the action and said he felt that sexual diversity would do the fandom good.”
– Calbeck, AKA Scott Malcomson, in 2005 – on Wikipedia’s Talk archive for “Furry.” (This is hearsay to us. It’s easy to see how words could be twisted, by taking an affirmation of sexuality as saying more that wasn’t said. The “ad” below shows how dishonest this is.)
“Here at ‘ConFurence Central’ we’ve heard it that some people are worried about upcoming issues of something called ‘The Black Sheets’ or some such, a zine series that prides itself on digging up obscene dirt — in this case, supposedly setting its sights on furrydom.Well, here’s what we know…
Zip.
These people, and for that matter many other rumored ‘dirt hounds’ in zines, on cable, from tabloids, etc., have not made contact with us. We have not provided them with any names, descriptions, situations, rumours, history, art, stories, or backgrounds. We have not spoken to any such group, and none of them have made themselves known to us, at least not such that it’s gotten back to us on the staff or the con-com.
Now, if folks chose to take information which we make freely available to the public (e.g., In-Fur-Nation or the Souvenir Books) and run wild with it, there’s not much we can do about it.”
– Rod O’Riley, cofounder of ConFurence with Mark Merlino, in 1997 – at Alt.fan.furry newsgroup. (An initial denial of advertising that was ignored. Any magazine could report anything without permission.)
“Merlino can’t be just a guy you don’t like, he HAS to be fucking SAURON, LORD OF ALL DARKNESS. WITHOUT HIS FELL TOUCH, FURRY WOULD BE A PANACEA, UNSPOILED. Also, the fandom COULDN’T have just changed over time… it was a plan of dark conspirators, working within the shadow to destroy the light!
The amount of import you dudes place on a goddamn hobby is insane. Go outside, drive to a bar, have a beer, watch a fucking basketball game, and talk to some real people in the ‘Really Real World’.”
– Ilthuain, in 2003 – at Alt.fan.furry. (Attempting to abate old rumors, which nevertheless carried on to now.)
In a comment at Flayrah, Dahan took on the “furban legend“. I consulted him for more:
“I’m not sure if I know *that* much about the whole controversy–while I was active in the fandom at the time, all I know comes from watching the flamewars on alt.fan.furry. I don’t have any first-hand communication.
It seemed to boil down to accusations that CF8 was full of gay guys looking for sex who knew nothing about furry, because Mark Merlino put an ad for CF in a gay magazine. At first, I don’t think anyone said which magazine. Later, consensus seemed to be that it was Black Sheets #10. As Andrew Greene noted on Alt.fan.furry, nobody who claimed to have seen the issue ever quoted what it said, beyond saying that it linked CF with bestiality.
And over decade later, I continued to see discussion in various fora about this supposed ad in a gay magazine that caused the supposed decline and sexualization of furry fandom, but nobody could provide any evidence of the ad. It was always a “I heard it on the internet, so it must be true!” sort of thing. So last year, I decided to plunk down the almost $30 for a copy of Black Sheets #10 (from Bolerium Books, in fact) to get the facts and see it for myself.
BTW, issue 10 says it was completed on 1/97, and CF8 was on 1/16/97, so it seems impossible that anyone would’ve been able to receive the magazine, write to CF for info, and receive a reply in time to actually attend.”
Below, for the first time, is an actual source of the whole rumor! NOTICE: it raises the “real animals” kink topic, one this blog has typically dissociated from to leave it separate. It appears now as historical context, not started by furry fans. “Black Sheets” wasn’t a Furry zine.
In pre-internet alternative culture, underground ‘zines were a front of radical free expression. No topic was off limits. Prominent outlets like Factsheet Five would accept and review all sorts – punk rock, anarchist and animal liberation publications, to the extreme, bizarre, and obscene. All subculture and counterculture was catalogued for reference, including political groups they didn’t support but wouldn’t censor. Even the KKK made it in – shining a light on who and where racism came from. It was the democratic principle of allowing opinions to stand or fall on their own merits. Here’s Bolerium Books’ 2015 catalog (PDF) of rare zines from that era.
Many independent publications were run off on a photocopier and hand-stapled, and passed direct person to person in the mail, with no filter whatsoever. “Advertising” in these often consisted of “you review my ‘zine and I’ll review yours.” More likely, it was “here’s some stuff I found.”
Black Sheets was one of those radical and freewheeling ‘zines. A rememberance of the publisher says:
Bill Brent published six editions of a landmark national resource guide for alternative sexualities, called the Black Book. From there, he launched a sassy, sexy little zine called Black Sheets. That, in turn, spawned Black Books, a tiny independent publishing house. Black Books and Black Sheets were pansexual. The company’s tag line, for a time, was “Kinky. Queer. Intelligent. Irreverent.”
Oozing (some would say “spurting”) Bill’s natural charm and perverse humor, Black Sheets came along at a time when the sexual landscape of San Francisco was being completely redefined. Bill had been an old school SF punk in the eighties, and brought a mosh pit sensibility and DIY aesthetic to the radical queer expression that was just getting started in the early nineties.
Each issue had a different theme. 1997’s Black Sheets issue #10, “Bestiality and Glamor,” is the one that was supposedly so influential that it ruined furry cons forever – despite being too rare for believers to share it until now:
There you have it… a pretty crazy page for sure, but:
- Not a formal magazine – it’s like a bulletin board anyone could post on.
- Many independent ‘zines had no paid ads. This isn’t presented as an ad (no prices, times, etc), but simply listing an address.
- It’s likely to be the responsibility of the zine editor alone. As far as we can tell, it’s not put next to the other info by permission of the convention.
The zine editor has passed away. The ConFurence organizers deny any connection. Perhaps the only other person who could give answers would be Gordon Spurlock (named as a submitter). Did he supply the con address? I asked him – let’s see if he responds.
At the time this was published (1997) I was familiar with free speech issues that bubbled out of the zine culture. The crazier addresses in there were known: one was for a man who went on Jerry Springer and published one of the few (or only) books on the “zoo” topic through a radical but respected NY publisher. Another, I suspect, is someone who still runs a sex toy company with low profile but devoted customer base. Actually, seeing this jogged my memory of seeing this very zine in a collection in the 90’s. I recall that the graphics were S&M cartoons (not exactly “furry”). The most interesting part was a funny, kinky fiction story about two theme park mascots having sex on a ride that put them in front of the public by surprise!
This stuff was native and self-generating. There was never a wall between this and “pure” groups. The subculture in zines paved the way for the internet breaking it wide open to everyone, for good or bad. Fred Patten’s articles about early Furry fan publishing shares furry zines. Check it out for a better look at what was happening at the time.
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Aha, I was wondering if a debunking of this rumor would come up. Yeah, consensus is that the rumor is bullshit, and that Black Sheets did its own thing. The most exaggerated version of the rumor I’ve heard is that Mark Merlino wanted to increase the sexual and gay demographic at ConFurence and put ads in several adult gay and men’s bondage magazines to do so.
A couple of notes though: The posting that Rod O’Riley made to alt.fan.furry – despite alt.fan.furry being the primary forum for fandom discussion for a good chunk of the 1990s – Mark and O’Riley very, very rarely posted messages there, despite being the con chairs of the fandom’s main convention. Maybe they lurked; I don’t know. So for one of them to pipe up and post something – that was highly unusual, they seriously wanted to distance themselves from Black Sheets as much as possible. Secondly, by the time CF8 happened, the wave of gay and bisexual furries had already become well-entrenched in the fandom since 1995 at least, so there was no need to advertise.
It’s also a sad fact of the fandom that when someone rises high enough, people start saying shit about them. Mark Merlino, Uncle Kage and Dragoneer have been the main targets of this sort of thing. Their friends defend them, their detractors detract them, one side downplaying and the other side overplaying rumors until it’s basically impossible to get an entirely objective viewpoint from any source.
Most of Merlino’s detractors tend to focus on him pushing some sort of promotion of the fandom’s sexual side, as if everything he did was massively influential. Granted, a lot of the 1980s fandom growth happened because he was a central organizer and social nexus – convention room parties, a computer bulletin board, and eventually the fandom’s first convention, so there was some influence, but it downplays the fact that even if Merlino hadn’t been around, he was hardly the only one who liked furry porn. I think most people in the fandom like both the clean and the adult to different extents, and to single out Merlino is stupid. For example – to me, Mark has always been towards the “lifestyler” side of the fandom – yet despite his supposed influence in the late 1980s, the furry lifestyle thing didn’t happen during the fandom’s formative years. It happened in the late 1990s, when most new furry fans had no idea who he was. And, if you took any of the late 1980s furries who liked porn out of the equation, the Web and the Internet growth of the 1990s was just around the corner – the porn thing would’ve happened anyway, if delayed slightly.
Still, there’s enough anecdotal evidence that the porn side of furry fandom was sometimes the first (and not the best) impression that people had, and that some furries didn’t think about what first impressions could make, or cared what others thought. For example, these old newsgroup posts: https://groups.google.com/group/alt.fan.furry/msg/7a2a6740659d9bd0 and http://groups.google.com/group/alt.fan.furry/msg/0a3478ec76ffd2df . And Merlino wasn’t the only person who was willing to discuss the topic, for example this old issue of FurBytes mentions a panel to be held at SDCC by Roz Gibson and Reed Waller ( ftp://ftp.sysabend.org/pub/Sysabend/filk/furbyt03.txt ). Incidentally, I spent this last weekend at Furry Migration and attended a presentation by Reed Waller on the adult aspects of funny animal comics, and found it very thoughtful, intelligent and informative without being crude.
Regarding the ConDorCon panel, unfortunately the people who tend to bring it up are fairly biased against Merlino, and so there’s a definitely lack of objective facts about what was going on. Missing major details, like, whose idea was the panel in the first place? Who else was on the panel? I get the impression that some of the furries in the audience showed up specifically to harangue the panelists. For example, Tygger Graf ( https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/alt.fan.furry/1IXGHY-bULI/EDDu_kMsds0J ) whose objectivity I wouldn’t trust with a ten-foot pole – at least she mentions some other names that could be consulted.
Anyway, unfortunately this is all one of those historical rumors that’s just a mess to make sense of – thanks for trying to put the pieces together.
Mark and Rodney avoided AFF due to what was seen as mostly a lot of flame wars. Posting there seemed like a no-win situation and so they chose to not get involved there.
Aha, I was wondering if a debunking of this rumor would come up. Yeah, consensus is that the rumor is bullshit, and that Black Sheets did its own thing. The most exaggerated version of the rumor I’ve heard is that Mark Merlino wanted to increase the sexual and gay demographic at ConFurence and put ads in several adult gay and men’s bondage magazines to do so.
A couple of notes though: The posting that Rod O’Riley made to alt.fan.furry – despite alt.fan.furry being the primary forum for fandom discussion for a good chunk of the 1990s – Mark and O’Riley very, very rarely posted messages there, despite being the con chairs of the fandom’s main convention. Maybe they lurked; I don’t know. So for one of them to pipe up and post something – that was highly unusual, and that they wanted to distance themselves from Black Sheets as much as possible. Secondly, by the time CF8 happened, the wave of gay and bisexual furries had already become well-entrenched in the fandom since 1995 at least, so there was no need to advertise.
It’s also a sad fact of the fandom that when someone rises high enough, people start saying shit about them. Mark Merlino, Uncle Kage and Dragoneer have been the main targets of this sort of thing. Their friends defend them, their detractors detract them, one side downplaying and the other side overplaying rumors until it’s basically impossible to get an entirely objective viewpoint from any source.
Most of Merlino’s detractors tend to focus on him pushing some sort of promotion of the fandom’s sexual side, as if everything he did was massively influential. Granted, a lot of the 1980s fandom growth happened because he was a central organizer – convention room parties, a computer bulletin board, and eventually the fandom’s first convention, so there was some influence, but it downplays the fact that even if Merlino hadn’t been around, he was hardly the only one who liked furry porn. I think most people in the fandom like both the clean and the adult to different extents, and to single out Merlino is stupid. For example – to me, Mark has always been towards the “lifestyler” side of the fandom – yet despite his supposed influence in the late 1980s, the furry lifestyle thing didn’t happen during the fandom’s formative years. It happened in the late 1990s, when most new furry fans had no idea who he was. And, if you took any of the late 1980s furries who liked porn out of the equation, the Web and the Internet growth of the 1990s was just around the corner – the porn thing would’ve happened anyway, if delayed slightly.
Still, there’s enough anecdotal evidence that the porn side of furry fandom was sometimes the first (and not the best) impression that people had, and that some furries didn’t think about what first impressions could make, or cared what others thought. For example, these old newsgroup posts: https://groups.google.com/group/alt.fan.furry/msg/7a2a6740659d9bd0 and http://groups.google.com/group/alt.fan.furry/msg/0a3478ec76ffd2df . And Merlino wasn’t the only person who was willing to discuss the topic, for example this old issue of FurBytes mentions a panel to be held at SDCC by Roz Gibson and Reed Waller ( ftp://ftp.sysabend.org/pub/Sysabend/filk/furbyt03.txt ). Incidentally, I spent this last weekend at Furry Migration and attended a presentation by Reed Waller on the adult aspects of funny animal comics, and found it very thoughtful, intelligent and informative without being crude.
Regarding the ConDorCon panel, unfortunately the people who tend to bring it up are fairly biased against Merlino and so there’s a definitely lack of objective facts about what was going on. Missing major details, like, whose idea was the panel in the first place? Who else was on the panel? I get the impression that some of the furries in the audience showed up specifically to harangue the panelists. For example, Tygger Graf ( https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/alt.fan.furry/1IXGHY-bULI/EDDu_kMsds0J ) whose objectivity I wouldn’t trust with a ten-foot pole – at least she mentions some other names that could be consulted.
Anyway, unfortunately this is all one of those historical rumors that’s just a mess to make sense of – thanks for trying to put the pieces together.
So, someone is to blame, but most likely not Mark Merlino. I talked with the man, and he is too wise to do something that stupid.
Also, I thought the owner of this blog wanted for the fandom to be more sexual.
What’s the rationale for blaming? Are people’s interests supposed to come from a Pied Piper-like instigator, rather than being always built-in from before there was even a formal “fandom?” Would it tell us anything we don’t already know?
Is there a specific statement somewhere about wanting it to be more sexual? I’m never shy to report natural existence and demand. 🙂 If there is a statement you can point out, what it probably says is wanting more truth and honesty, and less pretensions.
Speaking of sincerity and lack of pretension, what I meant by “somebody to blame” I meant blame for the existence of people in the furry fandom who just use it to get laid and have no interest in talking animals. That is true, and there is no pretension.
I think it takes a lot of dedication to seek out and join all the stuff that people do here, and get to know other people to have sex with.
I have rarely met anyone who does nothing but get laid, but I have met tons of kinksters with sexy role-play hobbies who are just as much invested in reading sci fi, enjoying cartoons, gaming, making art etc. You can buy amazing costumes, but you can’t buy the dedication it takes to perform with them.
There are also DJ’s who don’t seem to care at all about that stuff and just go to party. I think they are the crap ones. It seems they are most into the happy hardcore rave music which I think makes a poor fit with fursuiting, why play stuff with lightspeed beats when people are extra hot and sweaty already? The best DJ’s make the best parties with the most dedicated fans.
Well, I like Happy Hardcore.
It fits the personality if costuming, right in the name.
There are always those trying to get laid. But to go to a con that expensive and not have an interest? Ridiculous.
As someone who was around at that time, alas only via Usenet newsgroups, I have to add that the fandom had a dubious reputation well before CF8. After talking to several furries who’ve been part of the fandom from the beginning, it’s my impression it already was that way when the furry fanzine culture became a fully fledged fandom. Ironically (or not,) several artists who complained about the over-sexualized image of the fandom and pointing fingers also published quite some smut back then. Blaming those conflicts on Confurence is unfair. Convention culture didn’t have that much relevance for the furry community back then. There were only a few furry conventions, and who of us was able to afford to go travel to a convention across the continent or even the ocean even only once a year? Whatever happened at Confurence mostly only had an influence on the con itself.
Which obviously had it’s issues. The main thing to be learned was that individual owner led conventions don’t work well for creative communities like the furry fandom. It is way more demanding than a local comic sales fair, which until recently were often run by local comic stores. From what I’ve gathered (I couldn’t afford a transatlantic flight back then) Confurence failed organizational wise mainly because Mark couldn’t scale up his team quickly enough and wasn’t able to keep up with the amount of work involved. That likely had an influence on the atmosphere of the convention. Also, additional conventions where founded, so it wasn’t necessary to travel to the other side of the continent to meet other furries. But as furry fans were mostly college kids or self employed artists with no money back then, they couldn’t afford going to multiple cons, which meant a steep decline in attendance for CF9. It didn’t help that Confurence had acquired the image of an out of control wild party with CF8, of course.
And about the ad… I vaguely remember Mark himself mentioning that he ran an ad in an alternative regional event guide. Which was probably advertising a lot of gay community events as well. The Black Sheets listing wasn’t his doing, though. After some years of experience with media exposure I can say that media coverage only has a small influence on the attendance of a specialized event nobody outside of the community can relate to. Ads even less so. Word of mouth, however, may indeed bring in people you probably don’t want and have no relation to the community.
What I think what happened, apart from the staffing and operations issues, was that pre-registration was low, so Mark was planning for a much smaller event and feared that he couldn’t break even, but way more people showed up, probably including a significant amount of LA party people with no association to the furry fandom, and the event nearly went out of control. Though by far not as bad as some people claimed afterwards, according to people I’ve talked to who indeed were attending (and who reportedly had a good time, even though the party seemed to be a bit too wild for their taste…)
Even though it was the beginning of the end of Confurence, the decline of Confurence helped furry event organizers to learn a lot on how to run a convention without making the same mistakes.
But nothing in this context was responsible for the public image of the furry fandom, the high amount of LGBT members, or the Swiss cheese incident at a Eurofurence dead dog party…
1) Dubious reputation: I’d heard that the whole reason for getting formal “furry fan” organization (outside of long running zines) was because older con culture was hating on the “skunkfuckers.” Those attitudes are typically tied with homophobia, cognitive dissonance from those with their own closeted hobbies, projection, etc. Don’t blame the targets, they’d be mocked/scapegoated regardless of evidence by the nerd pecking order.
2) “Confurence failed organizational wise mainly because Mark couldn’t scale up his team quickly enough and wasn’t able to keep up with the amount of work involved” – makes perfect sense to me.
3) “I vaguely remember Mark himself mentioning that he ran an ad in an alternative regional event guide” – vague rememberances trip us into the mud puddle. (not to be snarky at you personally)
4) Inquiring minds want to know, what happened with swiss cheese?
The problem is, I generally don’t have a good memory what someone said when. I recall that we talked about it at Eurofurence 7, where he was GoH, but I’m not confident enough to present it as a fact. It’s been too long ago. But, and that’s my point, in the end it doesn’t even matter whether there was an ad or not. Maybe a bigger problem is that he was talking about his own sexuality during media interviews without noticing that he was in the role of an event organizer, and thus speaking for the event and the community: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nh7EDdcQqdw&t=3m40s — this sometimes even happens to people with plenty of media experience, though. Which he had not at that time, thus: no criticism, just an example to learn from. Mark was the first one to run a furry convention, of course he made mistakes we are quick to say “how could he?” But who of us actually has the experience to run such an event without doing things that turn out to be incredibly stupid afterwards? In fact, looking back at it after such a long time and lots of own experience gained in the meantime, he did extremely well.
Oh, and the swiss cheese incident… Some Swiss attendees of Eurofurence thought it would be a good idea to have a cheese fondue at the dead dog party of IIRC the last Eurofurence in the basement bar at the Ringberg Hotel.
That doesn’t sound like an “incident”! Were there sensational details about this fondue? Or just… cheese?
Have you ever smelled hot Swiss cheese? I mean, the real one the deli locks away for price and olfactory reasons? Everybody except the Swiss furries fled the room…
tee hee… I think some people might be into that…
That’s basically the origin.
I remember seeing the first skunk f*cking party poster at Timecon back in 1989, the douche in question was some guy in a boonie hat, I noticed when he was in the room for the furry party, he had taken the Kris Kreuzman poster that was drawn for the party, cut out the text and did a quick paste up job. How do I know? I saw him printing it on the copier they had in their room for making copies of furry art.
“Confurence failed organizational wise mainly because Mark couldn’t scale up his team quickly enough and wasn’t able to keep up with the amount of work involved. That likely had an influence on the atmosphere of the convention. Also, additional conventions where founded, so it wasn’t necessary to travel to the other side of the continent to meet other furries. But as furry fans were mostly college kids or self employed artists with no money back then, they couldn’t afford going to multiple cons, which meant a steep decline in attendance for CF9.”
With an attendance of 1200 CF9 was the largest ConFURence. The decline started at CF10 for 3 main reasons.
1) Further Confusion was started that year using ConFURence’s traditional weekend (with the permission of Merlino).
2) Due to outgrowing the CF8 & 9 hotel the con was moved 100 miles south to San Diego. This meant many regular attendees from LA and Orange County chose not to come.
3) The worst storm to hit San Diego in 50 years coincided with CF10 keeping San Diego fans away.
The big organizational problems started at CF10 when half the staff did not show up at the con for various reasons. Also while Merlino had stated a year or more before that CF10 would be the last he chaired he failed to remind staff about this throughout the year and it hit like a bomb shell at the last pre-con meeting a week before the convention.
Thanks David! The question of Further Confusion siphoning off attendence is one I want to get into, with a post about cities that have two furry cons. (Can they support each other, is it a good idea or not?) So far, the cities I know to look at are San Jose, Toronto, Pittsburgh, Columbus and Boston.
San Jose’s additional cons are not really the scale of the larger con. There are many meetups during the year which are many different sizes. The ‘first Friday’ events which are so popular in our downtowns are starting to spawn fursuiting meetups as well, we have ‘furry chicken’ and furry nights at dance clubs…
Can we support three thousand people in the convention center once a year with all these other events? Sure.
Yeahhh, as an old school furry since 1986, I’ve watched this evolve, devolve, and convolute itself into what… Well, to be honest, is a bunch of kids who look more in place at a rave than a fur con (stop drooling guys). There’s been erotic art in the genre since, well, forever, so blaming any individual for “corrupting the fandom” is pointless. Period.
You want to know the difference between anime fans and furries? Anime fans have been constantly heckled and pointed out for being into cartoons that often feature scantily clad teenaged girls and loads of tentacles, can I get a hell yeah? But they grew a skin, and don’t care anymore about who calls them out on the perverted nature of anime. When was the last time you saw a Vanity Fair article on anime fans? Or a TV special? Can I get a hell yeah? Because the public knows they’ll get a response from furries that looks like Streisand Syndrome turned up to 11.
And believe me, learning not to give a damn is a valuable skill. Learn it.
But… I *ilke* the raves at fur cons! I think dancing animals are perfectly acceptable. 🙂
My favorite part too. I love the art and writing, but nothing makes a statement like dancing animals!
You don’t think it’s because Furries come with crazy expensive costumes to look at and anime fans mostly look like highschoolers?
Sheesh.
Not to mention the copyright liability of trying to put cosplay on the air vs creator-owned furry stuff?
I’ve already said about everything I have to say about this here. I don’t see any need to repeat myself.
https://www.flayrah.com/3377/opinion-misconceptions-about-origins-furry-fandom
And you don’t have to repeat yourself. You made your point, and now it’s other people’s turn to agree/disagree with you.
I was told that Marino just advertised the convention everywhere that he could, including kink magazines and sites in order to expand the attendance of the event. It was a presented to me as if it had been a pretty innocent intent, but that those who saw the ads interpreted it as an invite to a kink event, and as such, many showed up in their fetish gear. When other attendees and families arrived to the event, they saw these folks walking around and were apalled, thinking that that was what the fandom was about, and the rumor mill kicked into high gear once they got home, setting the stage for the creation of the current popular opinion of the fandom.
I’d like to think that the version of the tale that I was told, is more accurate that the story debunked in this article.
Citations needed, what kink magazines and sites? There’s proof above that this narrative has been spread falsely.
Were fetishists really outsiders, or core members of fandom who found opportunity to let loose? And when did families join? I’m getting comments on the Facebook Graymuzzles group that nobody had kids in the early days. That’s become a thing in a fandom that has 30 years of history.
There were bad opinions about furry fans before there was a fandom… like the “skunkfuckers” label. There was furry fetish in the 1960’s – Fritz The Cat. Honestly, I wouldn’t want to have a fandom that doesn’t have it’s liberated side… otherwise you could just consider it a corporate subsidiary and call them Mousketeers. More about “The Value of WTF” here: http://dogpatch.press/2015/03/31/community-commodity/
Rodney did all the advertising work and it was mostly in fan locations like fliers tables at other conventions. They were not really big into print ads in large magazines. Small conventions rarely had budgets for print ads.
They did buy fan mailing lists from the Fandom Directory.
https://fanlore.org/wiki/Fandom_Directory
They did end up in a lot of various smaller newsletters.
None of that happened.
Conventions were massively a young adult audience. Not families. And of course you get people who are into chain ail bikinis and peather bits.
In the previous century, such places were common such as ‘leather bars’ that every mid-size town had one, be it straight or gay. A different century, it was.
Here is the earliest advertising for Confurence in the Fandom Directory:
https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipPjnz-zkxF6YVnLbG_4T0wtj6XfGBLLCSKF-BFKgtCaUPRgTG_FtyDS68-AloWgGw?key=NkxHZmNaMTZsb29fYkp5bzhMbUNScGNMRWdCZ3h3
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