How to love the freedom of leaderless fandom, and fight the flipside of organized abuse
by Patch O'Furr
Do you know the story where several blind people try to describe an elephant by only touching small parts of it? Nobody can say what the whole animal is.
That happens when furry subculture talks about itself. It has a peer-to-peer horizontal structure where the whole elephant is a series of bubbles that don’t see each other. The limited views go with a longstanding habit of members reacting against outside stereotypes by falling into their own… The Geek Social Fallacies.
Ignorance is bliss, but knowledge is power. If you don’t like the media, Be The Media. That’s the mission at Dogpatch Press, to tell the full story warts and all and own it from inside before outsiders tell it for you; but the subculture keeps stubborn blind spots. Many stories are too inside for professionals to investigate, but hobbyists lack the resources, especially when they need action that people don’t want to take. Difficult, costly, critical stories are the ones that stay overlooked, underreported, and suppressed. Nobody is immune to the psychology of denying uncomfortable knowledge. This is how you get too much shallow drama between individuals on peer-to-peer level, but too little intensive research at wide-scope.
You may say the solution is showing more of the positive; but that’s not seeing the whole elephant.
It’s important to do the difficult work of telling the full range of human experience within, and maturely accept a place in society, not apart from it. The more we know, the more it empowers people to do better. This is a challenge always lagging behind the growth shown below.
The view through rose-colored glasses
Consider everything that furries say to the media about themselves in interviews and PR, where they are predisposed to tell what they constantly tell each other about good reasons for coming together.
Nobody owns any single property they all love. No corporation controls what’s marketed to them. Uncritical, open-source fandom lets you connect across social barriers to make a magical zone of free expression and collaboration. How happy and fun it is to see a bunch of colorful cartoon characters making art together. All it takes is a little passion, and maybe making a fursona with no other conditions to join. It’s all about uncritical acceptance without gatekeeping.
That’s the individual experience of interest-driven connection, like the trees in the forest. Then there’s the forest, where despite why you’re there, weak gatekeeping lets anything crawl in. Acceptance is exploitable, and there are people coming with malice too. This isn’t moral judgement on natural human behavior; it’s also analysis of structure. The problem is it’s nobody’s job to do better. You can’t expect orders from the top to enforce policy in peer-to-peer fandom, and even if it happens in limited bubbles, that makes swiss-cheese for security.

Recent revival of a very old topic.
Old-school fan values worked on small scale
Security has always been a problem with peer-to-peer structure. Fandom events are traditionally low budget, volunteer affairs. Fans and volunteers aren’t there for a career, and that doesn’t make strong security. It isn’t just in this group; it goes for any group of people who are accountable to nobody but their own friends and collaborators.
Peer-to-peer connection is simultaneously colorful and intimate, but flat and disorienting. It’s hard to truly know people when you only see their fursonas, or you even see their nudes before their real names or groups they’re in. Anyone can compartmentalize with different accounts for different faces while looking like someone you trust. That’s an easy way to get taken advantage of by people with power to exploit you, even just the power to ghost you after it’s too late to tell them “no”. You have to assume trust based on actually pretty weak ties, if it boils down to nothing more than liking the same kind of art. Trust is nice to get, until it turns toxic with friends favoring friends they shouldn’t.
That’s the natural downside of the old-school fan values, but things were more personal when groups were smaller scale. They would put up with a few jerks because it was harder to kick them out and sustain groups. They could also solve problems more easily by talking to each other, doing community intervention, and having the social influence where members are simply more cautious about shitting where they eat.
Now add decades of growth, and much bigger scale of members who don’t know each other. (Dunbar’s Number names a finite limit on how many relationships your brain can handle.) Put the problem on steroids with internet platforms we don’t own. All that personal influence is diluted while anonymity raises opportunity for malice. It’s not YOU, it’s MATH.
The math of escalating abuse
Rapid and unplanned growth of furry subculture has many unforeseeable effects. Straining the limits of conventions is one covered on Soatok’s furry cybersecurity blog: Furries Are Losing the Battle Against Scale. Convention attendance is doubling every few years and “the furry community is growing at a break-neck exponential speed.”
Security suffers without top-down management at impersonal scale, not just because of who is inside, but because the more we depend on net platforms, the more problems we have by corporate policy. Social media is built to shift liability for moderation from owners to users. It’s their business model to be unaccountable! The point is to eliminate the cost of the editor/gatekeeper/mod layer by automating the labor and letting volunteers and peers fill in.
Peer moderation may feel like personal control, but meanwhile, bad actors can game the system with off-site advantage. Moderators may respond to simple individual incidents on-site, but can’t even see complex cross-platform abuse. That’s how responses can be weak, scattered, inconsistent, and lack resources for scale, no matter how much their hearts are in it.
If you can’t see abuse, it festers. Think of church scandals where abuser priests were shifted around from church to church. We have that too, but there’s no orders from the top. In furry fandom, “moving the priest” comes from being nobody’s job. A long-time creep can use a newly minted fursona to jump from group to group, when it’s easy to change accounts and delete evidence, but an uphill battle to track them or get consequences. There’s no pro-active solution, just late reactive notice if any at all.
We may say there’s no church hierarchy calling the shots; but there also isn’t accountability of having to pay billions in damages and institutionally mitigate the harm by policy, as churches can. So yes, this is comparable to church abuse scandals, with different process but same outcome.
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Bad leadership surrounds sex crime case with Party Animals West (PAW) owner in San Francisco: an abuser moved group to group while reporting failed from 2017-2024.

When you can only see a small part of the elephant…
The problem is over our heads and filling someone else’s pocket
Of course bad people are anywhere on the internet, but we’re not talking about a few bad apples ruining the barrel alone. Apply wide-scope to natural human behavior; organized bad apples make groups for each other. Village idiots make their own villages. That includes hate groups, scammers, cults, and any predators on the weak, naive or isolated. They do it for sex, money, or power. They seek each other because cybercrime benefits from accomplices, enablers and opportunities. You can’t see inside if it’s conditional on doing dirty deeds to join — like incriminating yourself for gang initiation. This lets entire groups of bad actors inhabit security holes.
Any subculture can be a good cover, because it makes bigger fish in a little pond. These bad actors can take advantage of access, and it’s nothing new; it’s like the punk scene fending off hate groups who found it a fertile place for recruiting. There’s no identity with built-in virtue — marginalized groups experience the same abuse problems as mainstream churches, schools, and Boy Scouts. Nobody’s immune. Queer and minority people can and do exploit each other, and collaborate with those who exploit them. “Insiders don’t betray each other” is a fallacy. NO EXCEPTIONS.
There are no non-participants online. Even if you want to stay apart, you become a data asset by signing up to platforms you don’t own that profit from you being there. The point is capitalism; platform owners want to grow traffic of any kind, and lose money if they take liability. It’s basic business to treat traffic as a value-neutral number. Then when under-equipped peers have to moderate each other, corporations generate harm like a factory spills pollution. This isn’t just an organic human problem; it’s industrial smog from unregulated products.
Oceans of digital ink are spilled on how companies keep saying they will do better, but they don’t. (See: algorithmic radicalization, content farming, Elsagate, Dead Internet Theory…) They seem to not even control their own systems, and don’t care as long as their profit goes up while the public pays the cost of responding to organized abuse.

Huge scale social media use since furries used to be the 1% most nerdy on MUCKs and Usenet. This subculture likes to claim independent organic growth apart from mainstream media, but is intimately tied to corporate platforms it relies on now more than ever.
New forms of organized abuse
Pollution makes mutation. Corporate social media has been tearing society apart and reforming it in strange new ways, while impossibly niche groups form and enable each other for behavior never seen before. Technology makes new ways to hide it and ride the rising scale.
Some of these exotic and previously-unseen behaviors find a unique cover behind furries, even if they are basically human problems, because of opportunity to meet and be open to each other. That includes sex crimes that didn’t even have common words until recently, like sextortion and zoosadism with their own dark underworlds. An underworld for this inside furry subculture is basically powered by internet tech, but also native to furry because of the cover of unique subculture with its own traditions and vernacular and modes of relation.
Don’t make the mistake of dismissing abusers as a negligible fringe that could exist anywhere. It’s not about quantity; it’s about influence, opportunity and extremity. Consider when abuser priests are hidden, and just a few can have hundreds of victims who get lifetimes of harm. It just takes one enabler in the right place, especially if everything comes down to friend-to-friend influence. Imagine: what if Catholics reacted to priest abuse by saying “it’s only a thousand priests among a million of us” rather than addressing cause and effect?
For organized abuse native to furry, see: the sextortion cult called Furry Valley. It uses systematic, multi-level-marketing tactics to grow, with constant recruiting and pressure to meet quotas. Minors are preyed on for nudes, money, or personal info for doxing and manipulation. Deserters are punished. When Dogpatch Press aired evidence in 2018, the cult was festering with nobody looking, and tried threats and harassment to throw off notice. It still has no formal media notice, and is left to hobbyists to warn each other individually without higher consequences in 2025. The prey, predators, and bait in this group come from inside furry. Nobody is coming to stop them; wide awareness is the first solution.
- r/FurryDiscuss: Furry Valley Drama?
- r/RealFurryHours: Furry Valley is still alive
The shallowness of online information and clout dynamics.
Wide awareness is reactive and blocked by wearing rosy glasses. Take them off and you can see chronic situations of turning a blind eye about organized abuse:
- When people can’t do enough, and get fatigue.
- When people can’t trust others, because they don’t care and give superficial lip-service while doing the opposite in private.
- When people know it’s worse to speak than say nothing, because clout dynamics let abusive people backlash, spread misinformation and gain more power from attention.
Clout dynamics suppress whistleblowing. Popular people benefit from scale of followers, manipulate algorithms and keep their bubbles impervious. It isn’t simply “bad people on the net”; it’s complicated with platforming, people turning a blind eye, and friends in high places who coddle repeat offenses that aren’t recognized as patterns.
There’s a list of popular excuses and deflections when abuse is exposed. “I was hacked” or “I joined that group to help catch bad guys”, claiming guilt by association, or most common, “that’s drama/callout/cancel culture.” The worst abusers are skilled at playing victim, with crocodile tears and DARVO tactics to weaponize trust against whistleblowing. That’s my friend, he would never do that!
When everything is based on peer relationships, it comes down to one simple line. Do friends hold friends accountable? Do you keep petty priority on fun with friends, or bigger care about other people they harm? When bad info emerges about someone close to you, and it will cost you to act, do you act or suppress it?
Cancel culture doesn’t exist by itself – broken platforms are the cause – it’s a symptom.
Suppression starts with cliched, pre-emptive complaints about cancel culture, as if it is a moral problem among individuals. It’s often paired with deflection about oppression outside causing misinformation, instead of the structure of platforms we actively use causing a real problem. This raises denial towards critical information inside, while appealing to the Geek Social Fallacies for unity to keep the status quo.
This makes abuse worse, because harm from inside is the most personal kind. The worst abusers are people you know and trust, who don’t deserve blind unity! This isn’t simply saying don’t trust anyone; it’s enabled by bad systems with growing scale, separation of social bubbles, and eroding limits. Although it’s a broad and deep problem, we can also name specific names and crimes inside that have been suppressed.
Dogpatch Press was never intended to report about true crime, but now there are deep investigations like the Fur And Loathing podcast, made in partnership with pro media. It identified responsibility by an insider for the Midwest Furfest chemical attack, the most harmful mass attack on furries. Now, look at how the terrorism was widely treated as an “accident” by fandom rumor (see: OLD, FAKE NEWS), despite that theory being discredited from the start! The rumor came with rose colored glasses about how insiders treat each other, with Us vs. Them framing after the media didn’t help… (except they did.)
The Fur and Loathing podcast investigated an inside job, and it was researched reporting for public service — not a kneejerk callout, something that only works on people who are already nobodies. As a friend said “cancel culture was 100% effective at ruining the life of Central Park Karen, and 0% effective at keeping Brett Kavanaugh off the Supreme Court.”
Saying that cancel culture doesn’t exist by itself is saying to look at the forest, not the trees. See the whole elephant. It isn’t culture, it’s byproduct of industry. Shallow, petty drama goes with dependence on limited bubbles and unaccountability between them, by corporate policy.
The concept of mob behavior (its own discussion you can read elsewhere) is a superficial symptom of the way platforms boost outrage about individuals without patterns. It isn’t effective when someone’s power is off-platform, and it raises power at the owner level. If you have been attacked with lies and rumors on one of these platforms, half the problem is relying on and contributing to the platforms.
There’s also a nastier kind of mobbing you don’t see: friends shielding friends with whisper networks to discredit criticism. This relies on the pre-emptive dismissal of “cancel culture”. The risk of saying the emperor has no clothes is to be harassed and frozen out, with clout dynamics threatening backlash on steroids. Toxic cronyism like this makes suppression culture.
If there aren’t gatekeepers on wide scale, often the only solution is with friends telling other friends to beware. In the mainstream, #metoo was a movement because women abused by powerful men would be sued for speaking. They had to organize in private because of the backlash. Organize.
Some ways to fight organized abuse.
Do you want a cult, or a healthy culture? It’s not enough to speak alone, or air info for clout suppression on broken platforms. It needs methods of organized support. Here’s some:
- Stop using Xitter.
There’s a Dogpatch Press news account keeping a legacy placeholder there, but ongoing contributions to Elon’s nazi site are moved to Bluesky. Try reducing reliance on any online platform.
- Build well-rounded offline community.
Real life face to face events are glue for online stuff, especially when they’re more regular than once a year leisure vacations. Making them well-rounded means having more than a limited bubble where you’re afraid to get left out or to kick anyone out. People become radicalized in isolation, but cliques can be no better, so don’t make fandom your only social life. Have multiple kinds and cross them over. Make it conditional enough that chronic bad actors will have a hard time meeting in real life.
- Avoid golden age nostalgia bullshit.
Everyone could use good history, but not the kind about returning to a golden age. Nuisances love it because that’s when they got away with more. Old-school fandom put up with jerks inside when it was harder to kick them out and sustain small-scale groups. That let things fester and it was ALWAYS a problem. If it was solved by tolerance, it wouldn’t have stayed, it would have solved itself when fandom was small. The opposite happened. Conversely, don’t fall for knee-jerk comparisons to Burned Furs and ancient bad media to suppress current criticism!
- Draw lines and stick to them.
Coddlers enable chronic nuisances to keep coming back. Acting like a doormat lets serial offenders take advantage of negligence. Organizers need to give consequences — which, for hobby groups, amounts to a child’s time-out and “pick a lane”. It’s not really hard to kick someone out, and if someone can’t, they are the problem!
- Don’t be nice to jerks, be kind to your group.
Nice and Kind are different things. Toxic positivity is nice. Removing toxic people who harm others is kind. Nice people think they can fix members who join toxic groups, who beg niceness and gaslight everyone that they’ve been alienated and forced to have “nowhere else”. That’s an absurd lie. They are ALL voluntary joiners and you CAN NOT FIX THEM. They don’t leave until they want to, and you hurt other people by giving these malingerers extra leeway to try and coax them out. Take a year to coax one out and dozens more go in. Giving chance after chance is slowly murdering your group. (Think twice about it.)
- Organize pro-actively.
It’s not enough to give consequences to bad actors. Go farther and work on breaking up their groups. For example, the Free Fur All “fashcon” was a pro-fascist event that collapsed. They were exiled by getting them kicked out of their original hotel — that was antifascist action behind the scenes. When they were stuck with each other in a suburban wedding venue, they turned on each other and proved why they weren’t welcome elsewhere. Seek out resources that apply method to such effort.
- Hold weak organizers accountable.
Remember, the problem isn’t just bad people. It’s platforms they use for peer enabling cliques, and weak moderation conditions they create. You don’t own the platforms, but you can demand better standards from groups you’re in if they’re infested by corrupt and doormat organizers. When a subculture is based on leaderless peers, it all comes down to drawing a line instead of turning a blind eye for friends. Friends hold friends accountable because they care about others, and if an organizer doesn’t do that, get their corrupt influence out! If they hold a death grip on their groups or events, do not make leisure fun time your priority over the bigger picture. Deplatform, demolish, decontaminate, rebuild.
- Support intensive research and reporting.
Inadequate information enables the clout dynamics of shallow personal conflict. Tracing patterns is always better than exposing people. It can take teamwork when hobbyists aren’t well equipped to do it alone. This includes collaboration with outside professionals. Yes, support good media, and it’s easy to vet them for suitability… Unlike most furries, professionals work histories are as public as can be! Knee-jerk complaint about the media is part of the problem; media-literate, well-rounded information production is the solution.
End note / update
While this article was being written, popular furry YouTuber BetaEtaDoleta posted a video on topic, seen after this published.
“The Furry Fandom’s ‘Problematic Person’ Issue” identifies the Nobody’s Job conditions about gatekeeping, but has nothing to say about corrupt organizers or organized abuse, and never really goes anywhere with it. The conclusion is to stay positive and shrug: “Whatcha gonna do? We’re all using the net here”!
What you can do: Skip assuming neutrality, as if we’re all just breathing the same oxygen. Apply analysis of who owns the platforms, how they work, what it means to be an asset on them, and take back your human agency — in this accelerating process of separating agency from all of us, and concentrating it in the hands of a few corporate owners whose only interest is themselves.
A YouTuber that churns out content to 300k+ followers will impress a much larger, algorithm-boosted audience than a tiny, old fashioned, zine style, labor-of-love furry news site. Pouring effort into a non-profit site without chasing clout is the choice a fan makes to consciously create. Your choice is to curate your media diet (and community) or let mysterious and careless powers do it for you.
Dedicated to Mark Willett, Ronald Braun, Carlton Hurdle Jr., Sotalo, and all negligents with priorities apart from having a safe community. Suppression culture isn’t nice.
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Having a good, safe group is possible. The Greymuzzle group on Facebook is one. 5000 members and drama is kept away. 😉
Yes a good watchful admin is important.
I’m sad to say that there are more than a few groups with titles like “old school furries” where that’s meant to mean “without politics” which means far-right anti-trans politics.
One of those was run by Michael “Cani Lupine” Herman, a virulent/violent transphobe who caught terror charges for threatening politicians. He was carrying out the mission of the Free Fur All convention, that advertised itself as “like the old days” without the politics… uggh.
“No politics” centrism is one of the backwards forces that deprives fandom of being a more cohesive community in the sense of caring about its members in an active way, a 24/7 physical way, beyond lip service to social media. It’s disappointing to encounter when needing some kind of action to be taken on problem people.
They are in the Graymuzzles group unforunately and not seen as such. I don’t have a lot of specific receipts right on hand, it’s just a longtime thing that has come up before, because they’re in all groups, have been for decades, they compartmentalize, and it won’t be visible without expending a lot of effort. More importantly its not just suffering the presence but actively having to dodge bullets of such people, which you can’t do blindfolded.
I don’t blame anyone for not knowing things about each member beyond the iceberg tip, but more intensive research and transparency could help, as a collective effort beyond assuming that benevolent organizers will do it in their individual spare time. In my experience, for such conversations with organizers, it’s a coin flip between having things heard or suppressed (with willful ignorance.)
A coin flip makes a minefield for trust across groups.
I think we need to keep in mind that this fandom is comprised largely of people who already feel alienated or different from mainstream society in one form or another. For this reason, they are particularly eager to find friends and social niches to which they can garner a sense of belonging, and this makes them vulnerable to the types of problematic individuals about whom you discuss. It is therefore quite a lot to ask people like this to be wiser in the ways of social manipulation. Also, because the fandom skews to the young, naivete is a factor that is difficult to correct with a mere editorial. Furthermore, this fandom is extremely sus of any kind of organizing body that might help protect them from drama and rogue behavior (I once tried to organize the American Furry Association, and the combination of suspicion, disinterest, and fear of having any kind of oversight of the fandom at large killed the AFA before it even got off the ground). Your editorial, Patch, has a lot of truth to it, but I honestly don’t think there are any solutions here any more than the idea that “make love, not war” is going to put a stop to global military conflict. People are people, and there is going to be drama, cliques, gaslighting, and hatred. The key may be to honestly teach people how to tell the difference between a bad furry and a good furry, a user/abuser vs. a true friend. That takes a LOT of time and discussion. This is not a shrug of indifference; it is a reality check. I will be working on nonfiction books to help educate on this topic. A furiend of mine, Pony for Hire, for example, will be writing a book on How to Make Friends in the Fandom for my pub house, Uncle Bear. Sorry for the ramble. This is a topic that will be talked about for years. Thank you for your typically well-researched and thought-out commentary. Dogpatch Press is the best!
Yes young demographics is a sizeable factor.
I would never say make love not war, it’s actually the opposite. Make war on ignorance and reliance on fractured corporate-owned social media. Do not be nice (toxic positivity), be kind (militant curation to expel organized malice.)
In other words, opt out of spaces not run this way.
I’m disengaged from groups that I don’t help run, and I apply intensive research to keeping them free of malicious actors. When people bring claims to me, they get taken seriously and not superficially deflected with priority on avoiding liability.
That is a much missing factor across fandom groups in general, from experience.
Counterintuitively, the neglect also gets worse the more serious the problem is.
“Go to the cops” they say, as if the cops are running OUR groups and have the say over internal decisions, rather than being the last resort who fail to investigate for all kinds of reasons, including institutional bigotry towards identity. This describes the most serious terror crime in fandom history, the MFF chlorine attack, with suspects free and the investigation dead although we know who it was!
This brings up something I term “the scissors of complacency”:
BEFORE: “We can’t judge because there hasn’t been a crime conviction”
AFTER: “We can’t judge because the conviction happened and they paid the price”
— meanwhile, people being reported on this basis go on to serially offend. The priest gets moved to a new church, when they could have been stopped by simply denying them entry on basis of caring curation, and putting group over personal friendship. (The MFF attack suspect is a serial violent felon.)
Giving someone a time-out when a claim arises is NOT a digital lynching, and when that happens, their reaction can inform as well. Do they manipulate/retaliate? Make it permanent. (If people are worried about unfair attack, that is limited to how much you rely on social media. They’ve been targeting me for years, including with arrests for it, and I’m right here.)
Nobody is entitled to be in a group when it has an active organizer who asserts conditions to be welcome. You don’t need an overseer-group to do this.
Conversely, you shouldn’t join a group that DOESN’T do this and corruptly favors problem friends, as way too many do. (Currently this describes Garden State Fur The Weekend, the failing con that earned repeat waves of staff revolt and lost all its artists and guests of honor, and replaced them with Problematic ones.)
These aren’t just human problems – it’s a platform problem.
Hence, opt out.
Don’t rely on corporate platforms that instill neutrality to harm as a matter of policy and design (a much analyzed force by professionals way above me.)
Center power offline, and rely on nothing online, as laid out in the steps at end of article.
Examples of practicing that: running an independent, non-algorithm controlled, non-monetized news site. Publishing a physical book. Conventions could be that, but not when they’re RUN by problem people (we could name so many names, GSFTW for one.)
This is at issue now more than ever, due to the scale problem, both in quantity and quality – a huge rise in membership even as ownership is more and more out of our hands with an internet run by 5 oligarch-owned corporations.
t.me/communityorganizing collects much more about this.
Last point: if this all sounds like a hard sell, it’s not a sell. You’re already in a war by ignorance to smother social conscience. You’re conscripted every time you click the box of consent to a Terms of Service agreement, you post data the platforms sell to each other, or you say “that’s not a problem in my group” with no idea of what members are doing cross-platform, by design.
Asking for a little conscience is a modest request that should not fail as often as it does. I can’t possibly devote time to all the examples that hit my inbox, not just random people, but organized and influential ones since the 1990’s. It’s a task for collaboration with systems-thinking. Fandom is a collaborative place, or can be. Are we doormats of corporate I.P., or creators of ourselves?
I’ll admit that I was not able to fully absorb everything about this article except for the parts that mattered to me the most.
This may or may not be relevant, but as a big Sonic the Hedgehog fan, the parts of what I could understand the most in terms of fandom and its stereotypes spoke to me loudest.
For the longest time, I’ve been trying to combat the stigma that comes with enjoying Sonic, and I have just now started to wonder what the point is in trying. I share this is common with bronies on the grounds of organized abuse. There is indeed a subset of Sonic fans who’ve taken over and claim to speak for fandom about their concerns for the franchise. I’ve always wanted to say openly that many of the so-called problems and flaws with Sonic as both a franchise and character are massively overrated.
I’ve actually heard arguments on Bluesky suggesting that the entire fandom of Sonic needs drastic reorganizing, and I find myself wondering if I should agree with that sentiment. Make no mistake, the loudest, most violent, and most hysterical have been calling the shots for around twenty years now. The inmates truly are running the asylum, and I would honestly like to agree that a major restructuring of the Sonic fandom is desperately in order. It’s not good enough anymore to invite people in; others need to be removed. Yes, I believe there needs to be reasonable level of gatekeeping.
When was the last time that anyone anywhere was allowed to have a legitimate discussion on what Sonic is best at and what can be built upon? I think it’s very much like Patch said wherein nobody is allowed to focus on the good; that’s toxic, don’tcha know? Nobody can be asked, save Freedom Planet, Spark the Electric Jester, and Rollin’ Rascal, to take the best elements of Sonic along with what can be built upon, and transform them into there own unique gigs.
Please feel free to help me better understand Patch’s position if I need to.